This was a very useful meeting at which I learned a good deal about ICL's current planning, relating to both the role of CAFS and its software interface. I also obtained some (probably company confidential) dates. To summarise, CAPS is seen as an integral part of the hardware, not an optional bolt-on; there was also talk of the 'File Correlation Unit' or 'Join Machine'. All data management software (which is, after all, what sells ICL mainframes) will interface to CAFS by 1984, either directly (PDS, QRYM, IDMS), via the new 'Relational Programming Package' (or RPP, on which see below) or via 'Predefined Set Access Method' (PSAM, on which see below). RPP is used by Cobol programs (through a call interface, and a preprocessor similar to that currently used by IDMS) while PSAM sits between an existing object program (e.g. a package) and a conventional file on CAFS. In all three cases definitions of some sort need to be present in the Data Dictionary, (even for PDS!) mapping the 'relational view' in terms of which queries are always expressed (RPP/PDS/QRYM are 'single sourced') on to the data item/s in the file/s being accessed. This mapping may be quite simple (e.g. a few fields of a record in a RECMAN file) or very complex (e.g. a specified navigation through an IDMS database); some automatic path choosing is present in RPP but should probably be treated with great caution. This integration of query languages has one great benefit (quite apart from its use of CAFS) in that it provides a simple (and relational) interface to IDMS; its major defect is that separate mappings must be generated for each combination of fields constituting a 'relational view' and stored in the Dictionary. This is then used to generate an OMF module (functionally similar to an IDMS object subschema) used at runtime together with the RPP inline code and the user program. Each query must be precompiled in this way, (unless QRYM is in use) but may be parameterised to some extent. In those parts of the query where a literal would normally appear, a parameter identifier may be supplied, and then instantiated at runtime. The mechanism for passing parameters through the PSAM interface is not yet defined, but is thought to be via SCL: the PSAM interfaces is clearly of great interest to us, but equally clearly still the subject of internal discussion within ICL.