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"Banana jackets are my least favourite thing to find in my bed after a bath.... Shock Rolling eyes They do come in handy for picnics though." -- Katja

Whereas you love to find them in your bed when you're unwashed.
Gillian
1:26 AM, 28/02/15
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We may not have been stuck indoors for long enough yet
Niall H.
9:45 PM, 27/02/15
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I sense a couple of top fives coming on....
Katja
7:52 PM, 27/02/15
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Neither sounds like my idea of fun!
Niall H.
7:19 PM, 27/02/15
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In bed or on a plate? Grinning
Katja
6:59 PM, 27/02/15
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Eh?!
Mark
6:55 PM, 27/02/15
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guinea pigs
Clare
6:29 PM, 27/02/15
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Banana jackets are my least favourite thing to find in my bed after a bath.... Shock Rolling eyes They do come in handy for picnics though.
Katja
3:35 PM, 27/02/15
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Bananas
Mark
2:45 PM, 27/02/15
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Pigs in blankets?
Dave M
2:42 PM, 27/02/15
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Baked potatos?
Will B
2:12 PM, 27/02/15
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It would be nice if food came with a free jacket, but probably not a good business model.
Lina
2:06 PM, 27/02/15
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Or very expensive food with a free jacket thrown in...
Bethan
1:28 PM, 27/02/15
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That's a pretty good deal - free food is always welcome!
Niall H.
1:15 PM, 27/02/15
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Psyched for Lakes, George! Super photos - think you've had the best of the weather though....

(Halfprice Bastion with free Kendal Mint cake, ordered lunchtime Monday, arrived 7:30am Tuesday = Happy Lina).


Lina
11:49 AM, 27/02/15
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There is enough snow in the lakes for a fun winter day out...think potential for harder winter routes is very limited...some of the snow gullies high up, particularly the easiest ones, were still in condition yesterday but could do with a freeze! I've put photos on Facebook which give some idea.
George
11:03 AM, 27/02/15
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"150-200 quid - I think students are richer these days Shock " -- Big Dog

100 if you shop right... Students are still students! How much is a VR these days?
Dave M
10:32 AM, 27/02/15
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150-200 quid - I think students are richer these days Shock
Big Dog
9:57 AM, 27/02/15
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"Alison: current OUMC people are all wearing the ME Bastion....." -- Lina

Tis the truth Happy
Dave M
9:21 AM, 27/02/15
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Alison: current OUMC people are all wearing the ME Bastion.....
Lina
8:14 AM, 27/02/15
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According to Facebook, Steve and George seem to think there's still a bit of snow around in the Lakes. Happy
Cameron
8:03 AM, 27/02/15
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mountaincircles.blogspot.co.uk/2012/05/works-lake-district-dry-tooling-venue.html

Dunno why it looks freaking awesome.
Mark
9:41 AM, 26/02/15
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Thanks! Really quite relieved not to be driving all the way to the lakes to go drytooling in the rain. Wink
Eliza
11:59 PM, 25/02/15
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Much more useful. Rolling eyes
 

11:29 PM, 25/02/15
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Much more useful. Rolling eyes
 

11:08 PM, 25/02/15
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Also mwis gives mountain specific forecasts for the UK which are probably more accurate in telling you things like freezing level and cloud base than Norwegian forecast.
Robert
10:30 PM, 25/02/15
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"Could someone more experienced (i.e. at all experienced) in snowy/icy/frozen sort of things venture an opinion on whether or not there will be anything in winter condition in the Lakes this weekend?

I've been looking at www.yr.no/place/united_kingdom/England/Scafell_Pike/long.html

and frankly haven't a clue. Thanks!" -- Eliza



Reading what people have been up to on The Other Place is normally fairly informative as to what you might find on the ground.
Robert
10:29 PM, 25/02/15
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Paramo stuff always seems very bulky? I've not seen the Patagonia softshells, will keep an eye out. In the meantime found an old style VR to order.....
Alison
10:24 PM, 25/02/15
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Must be Mark
 

9:46 PM, 25/02/15
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Mmm, vapour rise, Iffley, ice climbing, Morocco. Uh-oh! I've worked too hard and now it's all just about the fun word association. OUMC I love you! Time for a baaaath! Grinning
Unnamed happy person

9:45 PM, 25/02/15
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Erm, it seems extremely unlikely as I was there less than two weeks ago and there was barely any snow at all. It usually takes a while to create great winter conditions. Of course, if you're not fussy about having well frozen stuff to put axes or crampons into then you may be able to find snow and enjoy it.... Grinning
Definitely not expert.

9:28 PM, 25/02/15
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Could someone more experienced (i.e. at all experienced) in snowy/icy/frozen sort of things venture an opinion on whether or not there will be anything in winter condition in the Lakes this weekend?

I've been looking at www.yr.no/place/united_kingdom/England/Scafell_Pike/long.html

and frankly haven't a clue. Thanks!
Eliza
8:36 PM, 25/02/15
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Thanks Purple Penguin, that's very helpful.
Mark
8:14 PM, 25/02/15
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"VR wearers include Mike, Cat..." -- Alison

I sold mine because I didn't like it at all, and bought a far superior Patagonia softshell. Mike's one finally died after years of abuse, and he didn't replace it - he reckoned the new ones were nowhere near as good. Just to get the facts straight Happy
Cat
6:24 PM, 25/02/15
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"I can actually do Easter week, the reason I had written it off entirely was that Holy week im crabbing in Portugal. It usually takes me a session or two to get back into it after a week off, but I could just take the hit and accept being even crapper than usual. I dont really know what the score is with Font as ive always done route trips rather than bloddering, which is why i was hoping to hop on someone elses bandwagon." -- Mark

The Font score - boulders, bouldering, baguettes, bananas, beer, brie, lu barquettes, basking in sun on bouldering mats, wine beginning with b, burning campfires, more bouldering. I think that covers pretty much everything, and you're getting into the way of things already by bouncing onto the bandwagon.
Purple Penguin
6:15 PM, 25/02/15
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Jenny - sent!
Bethan
5:16 PM, 25/02/15
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As we worryingly seem to be talking about climbing, I thought I would divert attention with this journal request! If anyone could help me out I'd be very grateful. Happy
Jenny
5:03 PM, 25/02/15
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I can actually do Easter week, the reason I had written it off entirely was that Holy week im crabbing in Portugal. It usually takes me a session or two to get back into it after a week off, but I could just take the hit and accept being even crapper than usual. I dont really know what the score is with Font as ive always done route trips rather than bloddering, which is why i was hoping to hop on someone elses bandwagon.
Mark
12:52 PM, 25/02/15
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I haven't heard any April Font plans yet, but I've been out of the country so I wouldn't necessarily know. You're busy Easter week as well as Holy week, aren't you, Mark?

A long weekend around 11-12 April might possibly suit me (ideally taking Fri 10th off) if people were starting to make plans, but it may also be more sensible for me to find another time to go rather than April.
Cameron
12:02 PM, 25/02/15
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May (not definite yet) go reading wall sunday afternoon if anyone wants a lift.

Also, in case anyone's plans have changed since I last posted: anyone going Font in April with space in gite/car for a punter?
Mark
11:55 AM, 25/02/15
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Also, another vote for what Sesh said about waterproofs. I don't apparently own a true waterproof and only got my first softshell about 18 months ago. For the most part, water resistant has been all that I've needed (although a waterproof is on my list of things to look at getting when I next have the temptation to spend some money on outdoorsy stuff).
Cameron
11:50 AM, 25/02/15
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Well, they might, but only if they frequent the GP.
Lina
11:48 AM, 25/02/15
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"VR wearers include Mike, Cat, Sesh, Katja, me, that's most of OUMC......" -- Alison

If you asked "most of OUMC" (based on who comes to the pub tonight, say), they wouldn't know who half of these people are. Wink
Cameron
11:47 AM, 25/02/15
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On a totally different note, for all you "pedants" out there - I don't normally like these lists-of-stuff but this one made me "laugh out loud" for about "5 minutes".
Gillian
11:27 AM, 25/02/15
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Hmm. If you want something windproof, warm and dry, and super breathable, why not get a paramo? I've been out in pouring rain in my paramo and been drier than the folks in goretex waterproofs, and they don't get sweaty inside either.
Gillian
11:25 AM, 25/02/15
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I've sometimes found myself a little disappointed in the VR's waterproofness. It does seem that in anything more than a bit of a shower, it gets through. Especially if you're standing still a lot and not generating heat to keep the evaporation rate up. But I do wonder if mine needs re-proofing..?

Anyway, more importantly - amidst the chaos of Sunday morning in North Wales, who borrowed a walking axe and crampons from me?
Jamie
10:32 AM, 25/02/15
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They're wind resistant! So ideal on days where it isn't raining but is windy! Which is quite a lot of days! You could wear a fleece and a windproof, but I like the feel of the VR more - it's doesn't feel like you're wearing a plastic bag.
Alison
9:58 AM, 25/02/15
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What Fred said. Happy
Jenny
8:34 AM, 25/02/15
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Plus, I find most outdoor activities that involve more than just ambling around tend to require an outer layer with more breathability than a full waterproof. Otherwise you just get wet from the inside instead.
Fred
8:31 AM, 25/02/15
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My soft shell is the single most used piece of kit I have ever purchased. Water resistant is good enough for most conditions unless it is actually pissing it down (in which case, why aren't you in the pub?). I hardly ever use my waterproof when on the hill.
Fred
8:28 AM, 25/02/15
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A soft shell is for when it's sunny when you go into the pub, but worry it might rain by chucking-out time.
NickD
6:58 AM, 25/02/15
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Y'know, I've never really understood soft shells. I mean, here in the UK where it rains all the time, your outer layer has got to be waterproof (or have paramo magic). Soft shells aren't waterproof, so they aren't outer layers. But they have all that durable water repellancy coating stuff driving up the price and making them sort of water resistant (but not properly waterproof) and why bother putting that on something which is definitely a mid-layer? So soft shells are outer layers. (Plus I would agree hoods are an outer layer thing.)

So are soft shells really aimed at people who live in countries where it doesn't rain all the time? Or climbers who check weather forecasts religiously and only go out in their soft shell when it's pretty unlikely it's gonna rain? But not really at hill walkers/climbers/mountain bikers who got out in all weathers?

Actually, writing this has made me realise that what I don't understand isn't really soft shells per se so much as any garments which are reasonably warm and water repellant but not waterproof. (I can see the case for a lightweight summer thing - not insulating, but windproof and water resistant - something you can carry with you in summer when there's less likelihood of rain.) But in winter you've gotta have a waterproof - and then additional warm layers under your waterproof don't need to be water repellant.

Thoughts?
Gillian
3:21 AM, 25/02/15
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Oh and the sleeping bag zip thingy is that rab now only make sleeping bags with zips on one side. Cheaper for their production, sad for snugggles.
Alison
12:06 AM, 25/02/15
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VR wearers include Mike, Cat, Sesh, Katja, me, that's most of OUMC......
I would wear my VR for biking in winter and climbing or walking in spring/autumn. So I would wear a buff or hat and another buff round my neck if really necessary, with my helmet on top and a waterproof jacket on top if it was raining. VRs really don't handle rain for that long. If I wasn't wearing a helmet I'd probably put the hood of my waterproof up. But I don't see the circumstance when I'd use the hood on my VR!?
Alison
12:05 AM, 25/02/15
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Most of the people I've seen wearing a Vapour Rise [1] have been using it as a shell, rather than a mid-layer, and there a hood is somewhere between pretty useful and essential.

[1] Which number may have been slightly fewer than All Of OUMC - Alison may be remembering things a little differently from me Wink
Niall H.
10:10 PM, 24/02/15
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The hood of my vapour rise is zip-free and I've had it ages! I love hoods. A hat is not enough to keep the wind out of my neck! I do also have buffs but I prefer to have a well made hood which this is..... with an adjustable peak at the front. Grinning Perhaps some of the testers have a neck like mine.....
Katja
10:00 PM, 24/02/15
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" Still annoyed with them for the sleeping bag zip thing too." -- Alison

What's that?
Robert
6:26 PM, 24/02/15
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Indeed - I detatched my hood when I bought mine and have never missed it. I almost always have a hat with me which I use if needed, and it makes it so much more comfortable to throw a waterproof on top. but Rich loves his hood.... Though he's disappointed that they seem to have stopped the half zip version..... Silly Rab. Still annoyed with them for the sleeping bag zip thing too.
Alison
5:33 PM, 24/02/15
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"Anyone got any idea why the new Rab Vapour Rise (which used to be worn by the entirety of the club) now has a built in rather than a detachable hood?" -- Alison

cos hoods are cool now... everyone wants a hood. detachable hoods add bulk. I guess. I haven't had a hooded 'outdoor' mid layer, and not really sure I see the advantage. Doesn't the hood sort of get in the way if you want to put something else on top?
Robert
4:27 PM, 24/02/15
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"Anyone got any idea why the new Rab Vapour Rise (which used to be worn by the entirety of the club) now has a built in rather than a detachable hood?" -- Alison

And they can probably pass it off as a weight reduction too ...

Does anyone have 'classic climbs in the Caucasus' by friedrich bender, or any other Caucasus guidebooks or maps for that matter. Specifically for the bits in Georgia around Tazbek and Chaukhi?
Marion

3:13 PM, 24/02/15
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"Anyone got any idea why the new Rab Vapour Rise (which used to be worn by the entirety of the club) now has a built in rather than a detachable hood?" -- Alison
My inner cynic* reckons it might be to do with keeping costs down and margins up?

*Dave's inner cynic isn't far below the surface..
Dave A.
2:35 PM, 24/02/15
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Anyone got any idea why the new Rab Vapour Rise (which used to be worn by the entirety of the club) now has a built in rather than a detachable hood?
Alison
2:28 PM, 24/02/15
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anyone likely to be interested in a lift to reading wall on tues afternoon?
Mark
9:49 PM, 22/02/15
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Cleaning done. It may now be time to decopatch the doll's house. Hurray! Grinning
Katja
4:27 PM, 22/02/15
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Well, I should be, but instead I'm reading about waterproof jackets!
Niall H.
1:25 PM, 22/02/15
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So quiet! Don't suppose anyone else is doing their spring cleaning! Rolling eyes
Katja
11:05 AM, 22/02/15
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